Vincennes Race 3

Prix De Grimault - Monte

Stake: $70,745

Winner three starts back MARGOT DE BETAN (9) was in the money at this track two runs ago before finishing eleventh at her latest appearance over 2850m here beaten 26.3L. Meets a similar line up and she can figure in the finish. MELODIE D'AMOUR (6) disappointed last time when eighth over 2400m at Amiens. May turn things around racing for a notable driver and jockey. MANON DU LEARD (2) showed pleasing improvement last time out when runner-up over 2850m at Laval. MAGIE DES GLENAN (1) produced a last start fourth attempting 2850m at Laval. Might build on that effort tackling this grade. Warrants a market check.
  • Distance: 2700m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: Clear
  • Surface: All Weather
  • Class: E20
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1Jean Warin
  • Magie Des Glenan () 7600609904
  • Trainer: Jean Warin ()
  • Driver: P Y Verva
  • Prize Money: $5,193
  • Win / Place: 0% / 0%

3 yo Black Filly

Sire: DREAMER DELO (FR)

Dam: DREAM TEAM (FR)

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Rating

Stats
Career
24: 0-0-0
Distance
4: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
0: 0-0-0
Track
0: 0-0-0
Season
22: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-0
Mobile
1: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
0: 0-0-0
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
4: 0-0-0
Best Mile
-
Driver Stats
Comments
Last start 4th over 2850m at Laval, beaten 83m by Margarita in 3yo race on December 7 at $29. Two runs back unplaced over 2875m at Meslay-du-Maine, well beaten by Massetta Bella in 3yo fillies race on November 23. Looking to others.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 147/12/25Laval2850mStandingSand-Martial Viel3:37.50-30.86L $29 14F11$30,324$2,426

1. Margarita

2. Manon Du Leard

3. Ma Belle Asschadel

- of 1523/11/25Meslay-Du-Maine2875mStandingDirt-Pierrick Lecellier3:45.60-36.80L $1.00 12G2$24,168-

1. Massetta Bella

2. Marbella Smart

3. Maywenn Du Gueret

9th of 1411/11/25Angers3125mStandingSand-J Oger4:04.10-37.21L $1.00 9G4$27,189-

1. Mayakoba

2. Malaga Du Digeon

3. Massetta Bella

9th of 132/11/25Saumur2700mStandingTurf-J Oger3:37.80-99.85L $1.00 14F7 HCP$28,192-

1. Minos Beco

2. Made In Clemaxelle

3. Megaflo Bello

- of 1619/10/25Machecoul2700mStandingSand-Cl Guillon3:28.00-36.80L $1.00 8E10 HCP$32,285-

1. Miden De Fontaine

2. Mister De Subligny

3. Mutine De L'iton

6th of 1411/10/25Le Mans2950mStandingSand-Pierrick Lecellier3:48.30-22.27L $1.00 13G2$24,214$485

1. Malola Des Rioults

2. Manhattan D'amer

3. Ma Bonne Etoile

2Alexis P Grimault
  • Manon Du Leard () 02
  • Trainer: Alexis P Grimault ()
  • Driver: Lilian Bertin
  • Prize Money: $7,580
  • Win / Place: 0% / 50%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: ERIDAN (FR)

Dam: BALI DU LEARD (FR)

Dam's Sire: Gazouillis

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Rating

Stats
Career
2: 0-1-0
Distance
0: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
0: 0-0-0
Track
0: 0-0-0
Season
2: 0-1-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-1-0
3rd Up
0: 0-0-0
Mobile
0: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
0: 0-0-0
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
-
Driver Stats
Comments
Improved last start with a solid effort when 2nd over 2850m at Laval beaten 71m by Margarita in 3yo race on December 7 at $6.90. Genuine contender.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 147/12/25Laval2850mStandingSand-Lilian Bertin3:37.50-26.58L $6.90 14F11$30,324$7,580

1. Margarita

2. Manon Du Leard

3. Ma Belle Asschadel

- of 1223/11/25Cordemais2825mStandingSand-Lilian Bertin3:36.00-36.80L $6.90f -E15$33,231-

1. Moka Vrie

2. Mathez Prior

3. Michigan

2nd of 313/3/25Grosbois0m---0L $0.00 -Trial$0-

1. Mysterieux

2. Manon Du Leard

3. 99-London Park

99th of 76/9/24Grosbois0m---36.80L $0.00 -Trial$0-

1. Moneybox

2. Music Bauloise

3. Melodie Jiel

3Cristophe Chalon
  • Mana Tejy () 020400
  • Trainer: Cristophe Chalon ()
  • Driver: M Mottier
  • Prize Money: $23,357
  • Win / Place: 0% / 16%

3 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: FEELING CASH (FR)

Dam: AURORE DES CHARMES (FR)

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Rating

Stats
Career
6: 0-1-0
Distance
5: 0-1-0
Trk/Dst
4: 0-1-0
Track
5: 0-1-0
Season
6: 0-1-0
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-1-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
Mobile
1: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
5: 0-1-0
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
-
Driver Stats
Comments
Last start unplaced over 2200m at this track well beaten by My Fair Lady in 3yo fillies race on December 11 at $8.30. Two runs back unplaced over 2700m at this track, well beaten by Morane D'avel in 3yo fillies race on November 24 at $9.60. Better off looking to others.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
- of 1411/12/25Vincennes2200mStandingAll Weather-Paul Ploquin2:43.80-36.80L $8.30 17E16$70,748-

1. My Fair Lady

2. Modig Viking

3. Marquise De Fael

- of 1024/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Victor Saussaye3:24.80-36.80L $9.60 21E15$70,498-

1. Morane D'avel

2. Malaga Du Digeon

3. Maurane Du Clos

4th of 123/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Victor Saussaye3:25.40-16.43L $10 48E14$70,498$5,640

1. Mojita

2. Margot De Betan

3. Madison Monnerie

48 Day Freshen-Up
- of 1116/9/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Paul Ploquin3:24.60-36.80L $8.00 20D23$81,430-

1. Marbella Chafs

2. Miss Tahiti

3. Monalysa Du Roen

2nd of 1027/8/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Paul Ploquin3:28.90-0.48L $8.20 18E14$70,874$17,718

1. Mamaora De Lou

2. Mana Tejy

3. Mona Galaa

- of 169/8/25Les Sables2650mMobileSand-Thomas Chalon3:23.60-36.80L $1.00 -G1$28,352-

1. Malicia Bella

2. Mia De Simm

3. Maline Du Plessis

4L Ferro
  • Mamma Paulo () 136x0
  • Trainer: L Ferro ()
  • Driver: A Collette
  • Prize Money: $21,439
  • Win / Place: 25% / 50%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: ESPOIR WIC (FR)

Dam: TA MEMERE (FR)

Dam's Sire: Joe L'amoroso

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Rating

Stats
Career
4: 1-0-1
Distance
3: 0-0-1
Trk/Dst
2: 0-0-0
Track
2: 0-0-0
Season
4: 1-0-1
1st Up
2: 1-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-1
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
Mobile
0: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
2: 0-0-0
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
2:06.49
Driver Stats
Comments
Comes here second-up after six weeks. Lacklustre first-up performance when unplaced over 2700m at this track well beaten by Melia Barbes in 3yo fillies race on November 13 at $40. Others have better credentials.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
- of 1213/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Gabriele Gelormini3:22.10-36.80L $40 184E16$70,498-

1. Melia Barbes

2. Ma Am Chenu

3. Mystic Des Forges

184 Day Spell
6th of 913/5/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Gabriele Gelormini3:24.20-15.58L $12 43D12$80,997$1,620

1. Miss Black Berry

2. My Princess Haufor

3. Mauny De Play

43 Day Freshen-Up
3rd of 1131/3/25Chatillon-Chalaronne2675mStandingDirt-Theo Briand3:32.50-5.58L $1.00 28E8$31,453$4,403

1. Mystere Des Mares

2. Mystic Man

3. Mamma Paulo

1st of 123/3/25Le Croise Laroc2825mStandingDirt-Gabriele Gelormini3:42.00-0.48L $6.30 -F1$34,257$15,416

1. Mamma Paulo

2. Menthe Fraiche

3. Miss Up Star

2nd of 1027/5/24Caen1954m---0.93L $0.00 -Trial$0-

1. Melissa Josselyn

2. Mamma Paulo

3. Majestueuse Idee

5Guillaume Gillot
  • Malaga Du Digeon () 3x03220
  • Trainer: Guillaume Gillot ()
  • Driver: E Raffin
  • Prize Money: $33,706
  • Win / Place: 0% / 66%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: CARAT WILLIAMS (FR)

Dam: DIDINE DU DIGEON (FR)

Dam's Sire: Mon Premier Cehere

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Rating

Stats
Career
6: 0-2-2
Distance
3: 0-1-1
Trk/Dst
2: 0-1-0
Track
2: 0-1-0
Season
6: 0-2-2
1st Up
2: 0-0-1
2nd Up
1: 0-0-1
3rd Up
1: 0-1-0
Mobile
0: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
3: 0-1-1
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
-
Driver Stats
Comments
Last start was unplaced at this track on December 5. Raced better the start before that with a solid effort when 2nd over 2700m at this track beaten 54m by Morane D'avel in 3yo fillies race on November 24 at $5. Capable of testing this line-up.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
- of 145/12/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Guillaume Gillot3:25.60-36.80L $66 11E18$70,748-

1. Magique Haufor

2. My Love Affair

3. Milady Of Paris

2nd of 1024/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Eric Raffin3:24.80-20.19L $5.00 13E15$70,498$17,623

1. Morane D'avel

2. Malaga Du Digeon

3. Maurane Du Clos

2nd of 1411/11/25Angers3125mStandingSand-Guillaume Gillot4:04.10-0.48L $1.00 10G4$27,189$6,798

1. Mayakoba

2. Malaga Du Digeon

3. Massetta Bella

3rd of 111/11/25Lisieux2725mStandingSand-Guillaume Gillot3:33.60-24.20L $6.30 23G4$27,189$3,806

1. Madamigella

2. Melisse D'eloges

3. Malaga Du Digeon

- of 159/10/25Enghien2250mStandingSand-Francois Lagadeuc2:49.90-36.80L $17 115E11$70,623-

1. Molly Madrik

2. Miss Tavel

3. Melodie De Paris

115 Day Spell
3rd of 1216/6/25Vichy2950mStandingAll Weather-Matthieu Abrivard3:52.00-7.99L $1.90f -F4$39,136$5,479

1. Malou Du Bois

2. Meteor Pierji

3. Malaga Du Digeon

6Laurent Cl. Abrivard
  • Melodie D'amour () 213x78
  • Trainer: Laurent Cl. Abrivard ()
  • Driver: A Abrivard
  • Prize Money: $33,314
  • Win / Place: 20% / 60%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: FREE MAN (FR)

Dam: CHANSON D'AMOUR (FR)

Dam's Sire: Sam Bourbon

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Rating

Stats
Career
5: 1-1-1
Distance
1: 0-1-0
Trk/Dst
0: 0-0-0
Track
0: 0-0-0
Season
5: 1-1-1
1st Up
2: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 1-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-1
Mobile
3: 1-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
2: 0-0-1
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
2:06.66
Driver Stats
Comments
Capable of better than we have seen lately. Last start 8th over 2400m at Amiens, beaten 31m by Mavina Des Etangs in 3yo fillies race on November 26 at $4.80. The run prior 7th over 2200m at Caen beaten 42m by Manuella De Play in 3yo fillies race on October 19 at $20. Watch for a far better effort this time.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
8th of 1226/11/25Amiens2400mMobileAll Weather-Robin Lamy3:02.80-11.60L $4.80 38E17$40,288-

1. Mavina Des Etangs

2. Moon Light River

3. Metsuyane Era

38 Day Freshen-Up
7th of 1319/10/25Caen2200mMobileSand-Paul Ploquin2:42.20-15.95L $20 167D20$48,427$485

1. Manuella De Play

2. Miya De Joudes

3. Maya D'aubriere

167 Day Spell
3rd of 125/5/25Vichy2950mStandingAll Weather-Alexandre Abrivard3:53.00-2.83L $1.70f 21D14$50,616$7,087

1. Montrose Vergnier

2. Mexico

3. Melodie D'amour

1st of 1214/4/25Argentan2800mMobileSand-Alexandre Abrivard3:40.20-4.24L $2.30f 36E8$41,348$18,606

1. Melodie D'amour

2. Mellynga

3. Manille D'erable

36 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 139/3/25Le Mont Saint Michel2675mStandingSand-Antoine Wiels3:25.90-10.04L $6.60 -F1$28,546$7,136

1. Mira De Froulay

2. Melodie D'amour

3. Madrague Dairpet

3rd of 720/6/24Grosbois0m---0L $0.00 -Trial$0-

1. Milo Du Houlbet

2. Milady Castelets

3. Mudellu Mag

7Anthony Duperche
  • Makina Danica () 6x7366x949
  • Trainer: Anthony Duperche ()
  • Driver: Mme T Mathias-Maisonnette
  • Prize Money: $34,151
  • Win / Place: 0% / 25%

3 yo Dark Bay Filly

Sire: VERY NICE MARCEAUX (FR)

Dam: CALINE DE CHAHAINS (FR)

Dam's Sire: Rolling D'heripre

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Rating

Stats
Career
12: 0-0-3
Distance
6: 0-0-1
Trk/Dst
4: 0-0-0
Track
8: 0-0-1
Season
11: 0-0-2
1st Up
3: 0-0-1
2nd Up
3: 0-0-2
3rd Up
3: 0-0-0
Mobile
5: 0-0-2
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
8: 0-0-1
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
-
Driver Stats
Comments
Last start 9th over 2100m at this track beaten 28m by Milka Des Thuyas in 3yo fillies race on December 20 at $81. Before that, 4th over 2700m at this track beaten 73m by Morane D'avel in 3yo fillies race on November 24 at $21. Solid top-three chance.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
9th of 1220/12/25Vincennes2100mMobileAll Weather-Miquel J B Bisquerra2:35.30-10.48L $81 26E19$70,748-

1. Milka Des Thuyas

2. Mamzelle D'heripre

3. Metsuyane Era

4th of 1024/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Alexis Collette3:24.80-27.32L $21 11E15$70,498$5,640

1. Morane D'avel

2. Malaga Du Digeon

3. Maurane Du Clos

9th of 1213/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Jordan Denisot3:22.10-19.63L $153 140E16$70,498-

1. Melia Barbes

2. Ma Am Chenu

3. Mystic Des Forges

140 Day Spell
6th of 1326/6/25Enghien2150mMobileSand-Miquel J B Bisquerra2:40.10-8.92L $49 11D14$80,279$1,605

1. My Darling Du Ris

2. Misslady Du Viclau

3. Merida Du Granit

6th of 915/6/25La Capelle2750mStandingSand-Anthony Duperche3:30.90-5.84L $6.80 25D15$46,159$923

1. Mars Cobba

2. Muse De Montceau

3. Maestro Cash

3rd of 1321/5/25Le Croise Laroc2700mMobileDirt-Miquel J B Bisquerra3:24.50-3.94L $28 15D12$46,569$6,520

1. Magnolia Des Arris

2. Marquis Du Chene

3. Makina Danica

8Julien Raffestin
  • Maya Gerbehaye () 020028x304
  • Trainer: Julien Raffestin ()
  • Driver: P Ph Ploquin
  • Prize Money: $38,277
  • Win / Place: 0% / 33%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: EXCELLENT (FR)

Dam: VENUS DE NEULLIAC (FR)

Dam's Sire: Buvetier D'aunou

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Rating

Stats
Career
12: 0-3-1
Distance
1: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
0: 0-0-0
Track
2: 0-0-0
Season
12: 0-3-1
1st Up
2: 0-1-1
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-0
Mobile
1: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
4: 0-1-0
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
-
Driver Stats
Comments
Last start 4th over 2200m at this track beaten 34m by My Fair Lady in 3yo fillies race on December 11 at $5. Before that, unplaced over 2400m at Amiens well beaten by Mavina Des Etangs in 3yo fillies race on November 26 at $6.80. Keep her in mind.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 1411/12/25Vincennes2200mStandingAll Weather-Eric Raffin2:43.80-12.83L $5.00f 15E16$70,748$5,660

1. My Fair Lady

2. Modig Viking

3. Marquise De Fael

- of 1226/11/25Amiens2400mMobileAll Weather-Franck Ouvrie3:02.80-36.80L $6.80 16E17$40,288-

1. Mavina Des Etangs

2. Moon Light River

3. Metsuyane Era

3rd of 1210/11/25Reims2550mStandingSand-Julien Raffestin3:13.10-1.52L $44 146E14$42,294$5,921

1. Miss Story

2. My Lady Desbois

3. Maya Gerbehaye

146 Day Spell
8th of 1017/6/25Vincennes2850mStandingAll Weather-Julien Raffestin3:35.00-22.38L $65 8D16$80,279-

1. Milliondollarsbaby

2. Mellynga

3. Marianna

2nd of 109/6/25Reims2550mStandingSand-Julien Raffestin3:14.40-1.45L $12 15E8$42,146$10,537

1. Mirella De Lou

2. Maya Gerbehaye

3. Mila Des Couperies

- of 1125/5/25Argentan2875mStandingSand-Julien Raffestin3:50.90-36.80L $25 8E9$42,522-

1. Margot Paroyo

2. Millesime Gwen

3. Moon Dream

9Joris Filograsso
  • Margot De Betan () 20005120
  • Trainer: Joris Filograsso ()
  • Driver: Mme Clea Roger
  • Prize Money: $40,438
  • Win / Place: 12% / 37%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: DISCOURS JOYEUX (FR)

Dam: SYLVIE DE BETAN (FR)

Dam's Sire: Ludo De Castelle

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Rating

Stats
Career
8: 1-2-0
Distance
2: 0-2-0
Trk/Dst
1: 0-1-0
Track
2: 0-1-0
Season
8: 1-2-0
1st Up
1: 0-1-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
Mobile
4: 0-0-0
Standing
0: 0-0-0
All-Weather
8: 1-2-0
Slushy
0: 0-0-0
Grass
0: 0-0-0
Best Mile
2:06.33
Driver Stats
Comments
Last start was well beaten into eleventh behind Meliciana at this track over 2850m in a 3yo fillies race on November 27 at $40. Performed better the start before with a good run when 2nd over 2700m at this track, beaten 26m by Mojita in 3yo fillies race on November 3 at $29. Should be right in the finish.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
11th of 1227/11/25Vincennes2850mStandingAll Weather-Antonin Andre3:32.40-31.23L $40 24E20$70,498-

1. Meliciana

2. Made In Carless

3. Mia De Simm

2nd of 123/11/25Vincennes2700mStandingAll Weather-Antonin Andre3:25.40-9.67L $29 29E14$70,498$17,623

1. Mojita

2. Margot De Betan

3. Madison Monnerie

1st of 145/10/25Lyon Parilly2850mStandingAll Weather-Serge Peltier3:43.60-1.41L $6.00 15F6$30,541$13,742

1. Margot De Betan

2. Marquise Jisce

3. Malice Berry

5th of 1220/9/25Vichy2800mMobileAll Weather-Serge Peltier3:35.20-4.35L $32 29E10$44,791$2,239

1. Max Du Pommereux

2. My Name Is Chenu

3. Moon Normandy

- of 1122/8/25Divonne2600mMobileAll Weather-Serge Peltier3:22.60-36.80L $54 3E14$39,490-

1. Mirabilis Vrie

2. Marisa Du Chatelet

3. Mystere Cerize

- of 1519/8/25Divonne2600mMobileAll Weather-J Filograsso3:18.20-36.80L $128 5E10$39,490-

1. Mambo Du Taillis

2. Melia De Mongochy

3. Mustang Du Roy

Race Review Abbreviations

Brk: Broke, Blkd: Blocked or held up, 1 x 1: One-out, one-back, Prkd: Parked, 3bk otr: 3 back on the outer, 3bk inr: Same as above, but on the inside, trld: Trailed, Gt spd: Showed gate speed, 3wd: 3-wide postd: Caught wide without cover, Held up: Held up, no gaps or few gaps: If they don't see any clear air in the straight, Inr-mid-wd -position: On the inside, mid = 1-off, wd = 3-wide or wider, flew hm wd: Flew home wide, dashd inr: Sprinted well on the inside, Chkd: Checked, Slow: Slow away at the start, Wltd: Wilted or got tired, Fdd: Faded late, Urgd: If the driver's getting stuck in

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