Maronas Race 9

Allowance

Stake: $11,434

BAILARINA DELNORTE (4) is a talented galloper who is unbeaten from two runs, the latest success coming over 1200m at this track. Hard to find fault. FARM LADY (5) was safely held last time when fifth over 1400m at this track. May appreciate the step back in journey this time. Can feature prominently. finished sixth over 1600m at this track at her most recent appearance on September 7. Now under the care of new trainer CHARLIE Waldemar Alfano. Worth plenty of thought. POSITANA (8) produced a good run two starts back to finish second but disappointed last time when out of the placings at this track over 1200m. Has her share of ability. Hard to beat in this suitable race.
  • Distance: 1200m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: -
  • Surface: Dirt
  • Class: ALW
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2Cesar Lefebre
  • Sex Symbol (2) 5554058232
  • Trainer: Cesar Lefebre ()
  • Jockey: Santiago Gonzalez (a1)
  • Weight: 58kg
  • Prize Money: $34,864
  • Win / Place: 6.67% / 26%

4 yo Dark Bay Mare

Sire: GIANT GENTLEMAN (USA)

Dam: SEXY RUNNER (BRZ)

Dam's Sire: Red Runner

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Rating

Stats
Career
30: 2-3-3
Distance
7: 1-0-1
Trk/Dst
7: 1-0-1
Track
28: 1-2-3
Season
11: 0-2-1
1st Up
1: 0-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-1-0
4th Up
1: 1-0-0
Turf
1: 0-0-0
Good
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
29: 2-3-3
Anti-Clockwise
28: 1-2-3
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1000m - 1200m

Comments
Most recently 2nd of 8 at this track on February 21 over 1000m, 2.5 len behind Oculto Deseo with 57kg at $2.90. The race before that 3rd of 8 at this track on February 8 over 1100m, 7 len behind Majestic Sky carrying 57kg at $4.90.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 821/2/25Maronas1000mALW FM 4U7Santiago Gonzalez57kgGood0:59.7360.3 km/h2.5L-$2.90f13$11,265$2,838

1. Oculto Deseo

2. Sex Symbol

3. Tolina

3rd of 88/2/25Maronas1100mALW FM 4U9Santiago Gonzalez57kgGood1:04.5861.3 km/h7.3L-$4.9020$11,265$1,757

1. Majestic Sky

2. Pitangueiras

3. Sex Symbol

2nd of 719/1/25Maronas1000mALW FM 4U6Santiago Gonzalez57kgGood1:00.4059.6 km/h2.0L-$2757$11,265$2,838

1. Due Lune

2. Sex Symbol

3. Jodela

57 Day Freshen-Up
8th of 1023/11/24Maronas1000mALW FM 4U5Lucas Urruzmendi58kgGood0:59.4060.6 km/h9.0L-$2113$11,032-

1. Vitoria Fracytrip

2. Due Lune

3. Latina Ave

5th of 910/11/24Maronas1100mALW FM 4U4Lucas Urruzmendi58kgGood1:05.3260.6 km/h5.0L-$207$11,032-

1. Panna Cotta

2. China Blanca

3. Oculto Deseo

11th of 113/11/24Maronas1200mALW FM 4U6Lucas Urruzmendi58kgGood1:13.3658.9 km/h9.3L-$1523$11,032-

1. Bemyqueen

2. Olympic Lady

3. Algo De Mi

3Jose P Garcia
  • Classe (3) 7937x51045
  • Trainer: Jose P Garcia ()
  • Jockey: Carlos Mendez
  • Weight: 57kg
  • Prize Money: $20,367
  • Win / Place: 4.55% / 27%

4 yo Dark Bay Mare

Sire: DISCREETLY MINE (USA)

Dam: FIRST SONG (BRZ)

Dam's Sire: First American

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Rating

Stats
Career
22: 1-1-4
Distance
9: 0-0-1
Trk/Dst
9: 0-0-1
Track
19: 1-1-2
Season
6: 1-0-0
1st Up
4: 0-1-0
2nd Up
4: 1-0-0
3rd Up
4: 0-0-3
4th Up
4: 0-0-0
Turf
2: 0-0-1
Good
2: 0-0-1
Dirt
20: 1-1-3
Anti-Clockwise
19: 1-1-2
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1100m - 1200m

Comments
Last start 5th of 8 at this track on February 15 over 1200m, 4 len behind China Blanca with 57kg at $7.90. The run before that 4th of 7 at this track on January 25 over 1200m, 7 len behind Jodela carrying 57kg at $17.10.

Expected Settling Position: Backmarker

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 815/2/25Maronas1200mALW FM 4U2Carlos S Mendez57kgGood1:11.9960.0 km/h4.3L-$7.9021$11,265-

1. China Blanca

2. Volterra

3. Poppy

4th of 725/1/25Maronas1200mALW FM 4U7Fernando C Olivera57kgGood1:12.4159.7 km/h7.0L-$1719$11,265$811

1. Jodela

2. China Blanca

3. Rosa Choque

99th of 136/1/25Maronas1200mALW FM 4U6Carlos S Mendez57kgGood1:12.2659.8 km/h100.0L-$5115$11,265-

1. Over And Over

2. Rosa Choque

3. Due Lune

1st of 922/12/24Maronas1100mMSW FM 4U4Carlos S Mendez57kgGood1:07.1659.0 km/h2.0L-$6.5023$9,092$6,547

1. Classe

2. Positana

3. Ukara

5th of 829/11/24Maronas1200mMSW FM 4U1Carlos S Mendez57kgGood1:13.4158.8 km/h6.5L-$1591$9,363-

1. Camila R

2. Genovesa

3. Positana

91 Day Spell
7th of 1130/8/24Maronas1400mMSW FM 4U2Carlos S Mendez57kgFast1:27.3257.7 km/h19.0L-$9.4034$10,309-

1. Ponte Preta

2. Free Free

3. Serendipity

34 Day Freshen-Up
4Pablo Ricardo Duarte
  • Bailarina Delnorte (4) 11
  • Trainer: Pablo Ricardo Duarte ()
  • Jockey: Miguel Buslon (a4)
  • Weight: 58kg
  • Prize Money: $12,062
  • Win / Place: 100% / 100%
Going for the Hat-Trick

4 yo Chestnut Mare

Sire: THE LEOPARD (USA)

Dam: XAYENE PROSPECTOR (BRZ)

Dam's Sire: Blade Prospector

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Rating

Stats
Career
2: 2-0-0
Distance
1: 1-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 1-0-0
Track
1: 1-0-0
Season
2: 2-0-0
1st Up
1: 1-0-0
2nd Up
1: 1-0-0
Dirt
2: 2-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
1: 1-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

650m - 1200m

Comments
Puts an unbeaten record on the line. When well in the market on debut, favourite; won by 2.25 len at Las Piedras January 24 over 650m defeating La Luc with 50kg at $2.80. Last start favourite; won by a 0.1 len at this track February 21 over 1200m defeating Asiatik carrying 54kg at $3.10.

Expected Settling Position: Leader

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
1st of 921/2/25Maronas1200mMSW FM 4U5Miguel Angel Buslon54kgGood1:12.3259.7 km/h0.1L-$3.10f28$9,577$6,895

1. Bailarina Delnorte

2. Asiatik

3. Lady Nerud

1st of 824/1/25Las Piedras650mMSW 3U3Maximo Adrianno Gonzalez50kgGood0:35.7765.4 km/h2.3L-$2.80f-$8,611$5,167

1. Bailarina Delnorte

2. La Luc

3. Holy Queen

5Franco Noel Rivero
  • Farm Lady (5) 000x241315
  • Trainer: Franco Noel Rivero ()
  • Jockey: Edinson Rodriguez
  • Weight: 58kg
  • Prize Money: $11,379
  • Win / Place: 22% / 44%

4 yo Dark Bay Mare

Sire: MIDAS TOUCH (GB)

Dam: FALADISSIMA (BRZ)

Dam's Sire: Holy Roman Emperor

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Rating

Stats
Career
9: 2-1-1
Distance
2: 1-0-0
Track
4: 1-0-0
Season
6: 2-1-1
1st Up
2: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 1-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-1
Turf
2: 0-0-0
Good
2: 0-0-0
Dirt
7: 2-1-1
Anti-Clockwise
5: 1-0-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1000m - 1400m

Comments
Useful mare. Comes here off a 50-day let-up. Last start 5th of 8 at this track on January 18 over 1400m, 8 len behind Fender Guitar with 58kg at $15.30. The run before that won by 0.8 len at this track December 22 over 1400m defeating Sally carrying 58kg at $26.30. Rates highly.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 818/1/25Maronas1400mALW FM 4U3Edinson Rodriguez58kgGood1:27.6457.5 km/h8.3L-$1527$11,681-

1. Fender Guitar

2. La Belle Julia

3. British By

1st of 1122/12/24Maronas1400mMSW FM 4U9Edinson Rodriguez58kgGood1:27.6257.5 km/h0.8L-$2615$9,282$6,683

1. Farm Lady

2. Sally

3. Poppy

3rd of 67/12/24Rocha1000mALW 4U7Edinson Rodriguez59kgGood1:02.8457.3 km/h6.5L-$4.7022$4,361-

1. Holiday Avenue

2. Filho Coco

3. Farm Lady

1st of 1115/11/24Las Piedras1200mMSW FM 4U9Edinson Rodriguez57kgGood1:16.6056.4 km/h0.1L-$1421$6,153$3,692

1. Farm Lady

2. Jazmin Blanco

3. Boing Guinea

4th of 925/10/24Las Piedras1200mALW FM 4U9Edinson Rodriguez57kgFast1:15.1557.5 km/h4.3L-$2743$5,936$356

1. Viva Maria

2. Regal Telessa

3. Rahysa

43 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 812/9/24Florida1000mMSW F 46Edinson Rodriguez57kgGood1:01.1058.9 km/h3.5L-$1788$3,596$647

1. Keenoa Ave

2. Farm Lady

3. Esta Posseida

88 Day Spell
6Ramon V Peralta
  • Friend Kittem (6) 226x4616x5
  • Trainer: Ramon V Peralta ()
  • Jockey: Federico Piriz
  • Weight: 57kg
  • Prize Money: $14,552
  • Win / Place: 10% / 40%

4 yo Chestnut Mare

Sire: CAMELOT KITTEN (USA)

Dam: FRIENDLY SILK (USA)

Dam's Sire: Gone West

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Rating

Stats
Career
10: 1-3-0
Distance
1: 1-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 1-0-0
Track
4: 1-0-0
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
4: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 0-1-0
3rd Up
2: 1-1-0
4th Up
2: 0-0-0
Dirt
10: 1-3-0
Anti-Clockwise
4: 1-0-0
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1300m

Comments
Second-up. Comes off a 36-day let-up. First-up after 10 months 5th of 10 at this track on February 1 over 1300m, 13 len behind La Razcasse with 57kg at $11.20. Previously second-up 6th of 9 at Las Piedras on February 23 2024 over 1100m, 5.5 len behind Inter Lady with 56kg at $5.90.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 101/2/25Maronas1300mALW FM 4U8Federico F Piriz57kgGood1:19.2259.1 km/h13.5L-$11294$11,681$467

1. La Razcasse

2. Positana

3. Linda Es

294 Day Spell
6th of 813/4/24Maronas1400mALW F 31Federico F Piriz56kg-1:25.2959.1 km/h10.5L-$1934$17,426-

1. Reach Somewhere

2. Madame Ave

3. Analizame

34 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 1110/3/24Maronas1200mMSW F 310Federico F Piriz56kgGood1:12.8359.3 km/h1.0L-$1116$13,528$8,116

1. Friend Kittem

2. Skypirina

3. Majestic Glory

6th of 923/2/24Las Piedras1100mMSW F 39Federico F Piriz56kgGood1:08.0558.2 km/h5.5L-$5.9021$7,572-

1. Inter Lady

2. Little Jordan

3. Tap It Covid

4th of 102/2/24Las Piedras1000mMSW F 33Javier E Perez56kgGood1:02.5857.5 km/h5.5L-$4.7069$7,572$454

1. Aleigua

2. Tap It Covid

3. Viva La Vida

69 Day Spell
6th of 1325/11/23Las Piedras1100mMSW F 38Federico F Piriz56kgGood1:07.6158.6 km/h8.5L-$4.00f15$8,398-

1. Lado Bonita

2. Kentucky Mia

3. Estrella Boy

7Charlie Waldemar Alfano
  • Charlie (7) 98666x076x
  • Trainer: Charlie Waldemar Alfano ()
  • Jockey: Jesus Prestes
  • Weight: 57kg
  • Prize Money: $25,609
  • Win / Place: 7.14% / 21%

4 yo Chestnut Mare

Sire: CITY BANKER (ARG)

Dam: GAGA (URU)

Dam's Sire: Gulpha Gorge

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Rating

Stats
Career
14: 1-1-1
Distance
2: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
2: 0-0-0
Track
14: 1-1-1
Season
1: 0-0-0
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-1
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Turf
8: 1-0-0
Good
8: 1-0-0
Dirt
6: 0-1-1
Anti-Clockwise
14: 1-1-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Comments
Resuming today after a break of six months. Finished off last preparation sixth of 9 at this track September 7 over 1600m, 8 len behind Donna Sureya with 54kg at $27.90. First up last campaign 11th of 16 at this track June 29 over 1400m, 9 len behind Olympic Nature with 56kg at $34.10.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
6th of 97/9/24Maronas1600mALW FM 4U9Eric Acosta54kgGood1:37.1359.3 km/h8.0L-$2849$14,957-

1. Donna Sureya

2. Rustica

3. Felicia

49 Day Freshen-Up
7th of 820/7/24Maronas1400mALW FM 4U5P Rodriguez57kgGood1:26.9658.0 km/h11.8L-$1821$12,707-

1. Mazuela

2. Sorprendida

3. E Regina

11th of 1629/6/24Maronas1400mALW F 35P Rodriguez56kgGood1:25.0459.3 km/h9.8L-$34160$16,011-

1. Olympic Nature

2. Ramo De Suenos

3. Sorprendida

160 Day Spell
6th of 921/1/24Maronas1400mALW FM 3U4Juan Martin Diaz53kgGood1:22.0961.4 km/h10.8L-$2642$17,528-

1. Eminencia

2. Bruxelles

3. La Vie Belle

42 Day Freshen-Up
6th of 710/12/23Maronas1500mSTK FM 3U2Hector F Lazo54.5kgGood1:29.2660.5 km/h13.8L-$1421$26,256-

1. Linda Dama

2. Dog Bride

3. Linda Rubia

6th of 819/11/23Maronas1600mALW F 34Yair E Pereira56kgGood1:36.1959.9 km/h4.0L-$1556$23,037-

1. Linda Sorpresa

2. Margaret

3. Reach Somewhere

56 Day Freshen-Up
8Jose M Morales
  • Positana (8) 9563422126
  • Trainer: Jose M Morales ()
  • Jockey: Bruno Cheleri (a2)
  • Weight: 54kg
  • Prize Money: $26,526
  • Win / Place: 3.45% / 34%

5 yo Dark Bay Mare

Sire: POSSE (USA)

Dam: SO KIND (ARG)

Dam's Sire: Indygo Shiner

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Rating

Stats
Career
29: 1-5-4
Distance
9: 0-1-1
Trk/Dst
9: 0-1-1
Track
24: 1-5-3
Season
15: 1-3-3
1st Up
3: 0-0-0
2nd Up
3: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Dirt
29: 1-5-4
Anti-Clockwise
24: 1-5-3
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1000m - 1300m

Comments
Last start 6th of 8 at this track on February 15 over 1200m, 5 len behind China Blanca with 55kg at $5.30. The start before that 2nd of 10 at this track on February 1 over 1300m, 6 len behind La Razcasse carrying 54kg at $8.20.

Expected Settling Position: Backmarker

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
6th of 815/2/25Maronas1200mALW FM 4U1Nicol M Romero55kgGood1:11.9960.0 km/h5.3L-$5.3014$11,265-

1. China Blanca

2. Volterra

3. Poppy

2nd of 101/2/25Maronas1300mALW FM 4U5Nicol M Romero54kgGood1:19.2259.1 km/h6.5L-$8.206$11,681$2,944

1. La Razcasse

2. Positana

3. Linda Es

1st of 926/1/25Maronas1100mMSW FM 4U4Nicol M Romero54kgGood1:05.8260.2 km/h3.0L-$5.0022$9,577$6,895

1. Positana

2. Esperanza Blanca

3. Genovesa

2nd of 94/1/25Maronas1000mMSW FM 4U4Nicol M Romero55kgGood1:01.6458.4 km/h0.1L-$3.30f13$9,577$2,413

1. Night And Day

2. Positana

3. Punch Little

2nd of 922/12/24Maronas1100mMSW FM 4U10Nicol M Romero54kgGood1:07.1659.0 km/h2.0L-$4.4014$9,092$2,291

1. Classe

2. Positana

3. Ukara

4th of 118/12/24Maronas1100mMSW FM 4U2Nicol M Romero54kgGood1:05.6360.3 km/h9.8L-$149$9,092$655

1. Jodela

2. Vip Ave

3. Poppy

9Facundo F Santesteban
  • City Dream (9) x592321457
  • Trainer: Facundo F Santesteban ()
  • Jockey: Yair Pereira
  • Weight: 58kg
  • Prize Money: $21,849
  • Win / Place: 13% / 33%

4 yo Dark Bay Mare

Sire: CITY BANKER (ARG)

Dam: DREAM TEAM (URU)

Dam's Sire: Robin Des Pins

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Rating

Stats
Career
15: 2-2-1
Distance
5: 0-2-1
Trk/Dst
5: 0-2-1
Track
14: 1-2-1
Season
8: 1-2-1
1st Up
3: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 1-1-0
4th Up
2: 0-0-1
Turf
4: 0-0-0
Good
4: 0-0-0
Dirt
11: 2-2-1
Anti-Clockwise
14: 1-2-1
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

1200m - 1300m

Comments
Returns from a 36-day let-up. Last start 7th of 10 at this track on February 1 over 1300m, 16 len behind La Razcasse with 58kg at $7.60. Before that 5th of 13 at this track on January 6 over 1200m, 8 len behind Over And Over carrying 58kg at $6.30.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
7th of 101/2/25Maronas1300mALW FM 4U4Yair E Pereira58kgGood1:19.2259.1 km/h16.0L-$7.6026$11,681-

1. La Razcasse

2. Positana

3. Linda Es

5th of 136/1/25Maronas1200mALW FM 4U2Yair E Pereira58kgGood1:12.2659.8 km/h8.8L-$6.3038$11,265$541

1. Over And Over

2. Rosa Choque

3. Due Lune

38 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 929/11/24Maronas1300mALW FM 4U7Yair E Pereira58kgGood1:19.7258.7 km/h3.0L-$3.30f34$11,430$823

1. Principesa

2. Baby K

3. Rin Ring

34 Day Freshen-Up
1st of 1226/10/24Maronas1300mMSW FM 4U10Yair E Pereira58kgGood1:17.3860.5 km/h3.0L-$3.50f20$9,217$6,637

1. City Dream

2. Alo Magia

3. Plaza Nabona

2nd of 106/10/24Maronas1200mMSW FM 4U7Yair E Pereira58kgGood1:12.5159.6 km/h0.1L-$3.50f15$9,033$2,277

1. Flor Do Caraguata

2. City Dream

3. Plaza Nabona

3rd of 621/9/24Maronas1200mMSW FM 4U3Yair E Pereira58kgGood1:11.4660.5 km/h2.3L-$3.5014$9,905$1,545

1. Principesa

2. Victoria Day

3. City Dream

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