Wincanton Race 7

Rca Awards Warmest Welcome - Wincanton Racecourse Handicap Hurdle

Stake: $14,207

AMERICAN LAND (3) escapes a penalty for winning a conditional jockeys handicap hurdle at Taunton a week ago. May win again. DIRTY DEN (2) looks the biggest threat making handicap debut based on the pick of jumpers flat and maiden hurdle form from last season. Top jockey on board. DEMILION (1) delivers first outing among handicap company over hurdles after finishing a fair fourth in a maiden at Sedgefield sixteen days ago. PENNA ROSSA (6) might gain minor honours.
  • Distance: 3063m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: Snow
  • Surface: Turf
  • Class: HDLE HCP
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1Mrs A Dunn
  • Demilion (1) 0850x9x4x4
  • Trainer: Mrs A Dunn (West Buckland, Somerset)
  • Jockey: R P Mclernon
  • Weight: 76kg
  • Prize Money: $39,978
  • Win / Place: 6.67% / 33%

4 yo Grey Gelding

Sire: ROARING LION (USA)

Dam: CASCADING (GB)

Dam's Sire: Teofilo

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Rating

Stats
Career
15: 1-2-2
Season
3: 0-0-0
1st Up
5: 0-1-1
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-1-1
4th Up
2: 1-0-0
Turf
10: 0-2-0
Good
6: 0-0-0
Soft
4: 0-2-0
Synthetic
5: 1-0-2
Firm
1: 0-0-0
Clockwise
2: 0-1-0
Anti-Clockwise
13: 1-1-2
Hurdle
3: 0-0-0
Handicap Rating
98
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

3419m

Gear Changes

[Tongue Strap]

Comments
Second-up today. Last outing finished fourth of 12 starters at Sedgefield 4yo+ MHDLE (C4) on November 5 over 3400m, 14 len behind Brave Jen with 71.5kg at $11. At only start last preparation finished fourth of 10 starters at Newton Abbot 4yo+ HDLE (C4) on August 31 over 3400m, 14 len behind Brave Knight with 68.5kg at $201. Each-way chance with added fitness.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 125/11/24Sedgefield3419mMHDLE 4U-Adam Wedge71.5kgGood3:58.8551.5 km/h14.5L-$1166$15,378$1,960

1. Brave Jen

2. Kingston Narcissus

3. Broderick

66 Day Spell
4th of 1031/8/24Newton Abbot3419mHDLE 4U-Adam Wedge68.5kgGood3:56.7952.0 km/h14.8L-$201222$18,161$2,245

1. Brave Knight

2. Dodger Long

3. Razzle Dazzle Boy

222 Day Spell
9th of 1122/1/24Warwick Uk3218mJHDLE 4-Charlie Deutsch70kgSoft4:01.2048.0 km/h80.0L-$151118$15,477-

1. Givemefive

2. Orchestra

3. Royal Deeside

118 Day Spell
10th of 1126/9/23Lingfield2011mHCP 3U11Jack Mitchell61.5kgNeutral2:07.2456.9 km/h12.0L-$1050$14,773-

1. Expert Witness

2. Savrola

3. Intergalacticat

50 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 57/8/23Ayr2011mHCP 3U3Joseph Fanning58.5kgGood Soft2:10.2855.6 km/h50.8L-$1324$19,965-

1. Glasses Up

2. Jumeirah King

3. Flyawaydream

8th of 814/7/23Chester2313mHCP 3U10Francis Norton55kgSoft2:38.4652.5 km/h13.8L-$1019$59,213-

1. Dream Harder

2. Box To Box

3. Mr Curiosity

2A Charlton
  • Dirty Den (2) 12290524x
  • Trainer: A Charlton (Warminster, Wilts)
  • Jockey: H Cobden
  • Weight: 76kg
  • Prize Money: $29,472
  • Win / Place: 12% / 50%

4 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: DRAGON DANCER (GB)

Dam: CARMELA MARIA (GB)

Dam's Sire: Medicean

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Rating

Stats
Career
8: 1-3-0
Season
6: 0-2-0
1st Up
1: 1-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-1-0
3rd Up
1: 0-1-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Turf
8: 1-3-0
Good
4: 1-2-0
Soft
2: 0-0-0
Heavy
2: 0-1-0
Clockwise
3: 1-2-0
Anti-Clockwise
5: 0-1-0
Hurdle
3: 0-1-0
Handicap Rating
98
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

3218m

Comments
Resuming after a six months break. Finished off last preparation 4 of 12 starters at Fakenham 4yo+ MHDLE (C4) June 2 over 3200m, 3 len behind Pleasant Man with 69.5kg at $2.60. First race start posted a big 4.5 len win. Huntingdon 3yo APP HUNT FLAT MDN (C5) November 25 over 2700m defeating Dodger Long carrying 66.5kg at $7. Well placed here and expected to be tough to beat.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 122/6/24Fakenham3218mMHDLE 4U-Micheal Nolan69.5kgGood4:05.4347.2 km/h3.0L-$2.6326$14,971$1,907

1. Pleasant Man

2. A Day To Dream

3. Natchez Trace

2nd of 107/5/24Hereford3218mMHDLE 4U-Sam Twiston-Davies69kgGood3:48.0650.8 km/h11.0L-$4.0026$15,378$3,922

1. Stay If U Want To

2. Dirty Den

3. Double Dragon

5th of 511/4/24Aintree3419mG1 JHDLE 4-Benjamin Poste71kgSoft4:23.9946.6 km/h55.5L-$15129$214,412$5,939

1. Sir Gino

2. Kargese

3. Kalif Du Berlais

11th of 1913/3/24Cheltenham3319mG1 HUNT FLAT-M G Nolan68.5kgSoft4:07.3948.3 km/h23.0L-$15132$159,720-

1. Jasmin De Vaux

2. Romeo Coolio

3. Jalon D'Oudairies

32 Day Freshen-Up
9th of 910/2/24Newbury3319mLR HUNT FLAT-Jonathan Burke67.5kgHeavy4:01.3049.5 km/h39.0L-$9.5040$49,907-

1. Royal Infantry

2. Noahsgreatrainbow

3. I'M A Lumberjack

40 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 111/1/24Cheltenham2816mLR HUNT FLAT-Sam Twiston-Davies70kgHeavy3:28.9748.5 km/h2.8L-$6.0016$49,907$10,842

1. Kel Du Large

2. Dirty Den

3. Sorceleur

3Joe Tizzard
  • American Land (3) x4x7x9x3p1
  • Trainer: Joe Tizzard (Sherborne)
  • Jockey: Brendan Powell
  • Weight: 76kg
  • Prize Money: $20,028
  • Win / Place: 11% / 55%

6 yo Brown Gelding

Sire: MALINAS (GER)

Dam: GOLAN ANNIE (IRE)

Dam's Sire: Golan

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Rating

Stats
Career
9: 1-1-3
Distance
2: 0-0-1
Trk/Dst
2: 0-0-1
Track
3: 0-0-1
Season
5: 1-0-1
1st Up
6: 0-1-2
2nd Up
2: 0-0-1
3rd Up
1: 1-0-0
Turf
9: 1-1-3
Good
8: 1-1-2
Soft
1: 0-0-1
Clockwise
6: 1-0-2
Anti-Clockwise
3: 0-1-1
Hurdle
6: 1-0-2
Steeple
1: 0-0-0
Handicap Rating
98
Jockey Stats
Horse
7: 0-1-2
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

3017m - 4055m

Gear Changes

[Tongue Strap]

Comments
Last to post a big 5 len win. Taunton 4yo+ HCP HDLE (C5) on November 14 over 3300m defeating Phoenix Risen with 76kg at $5 in a hurdle. Race before pulled up at this track 4yo+ HCP CHSE (C5) on October 27 over 4040m. Continues to improve. Only needs to jump well to be right in the finish.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
1st of 914/11/24Taunton3313mHCP HDLE 4U-Freddie Gingell76kgGood Firm4:00.4049.6 km/h5.0L-$5.0018$20,295$10,718

1. American Land

2. Phoenix Risen

3. Galactic Glow

- of 1227/10/24Wincanton4055mHCP CHSE 4U-Brendan Powell75.5kgGood5:02.1348.3 km/h99.0L-$6.0010$14,718-

1. Camino Rocio

2. Eyed

3. Mr Sociable

3rd of 817/10/24Wincanton3017mMHDLE 4U-Brendan Powell71.5kgGood3:32.7051.1 km/h16.3L-$26181$12,980$1,654

1. Celtic Dino

2. Ma Shantou

3. American Land

181 Day Spell
9th of 1319/4/24Fontwell Park3822mMHDLE 4U-B J Powell72kgGood4:42.1048.8 km/h49.5L-$5.0078$15,378-

1. All Authorized

2. Lumi Plugin

3. Snapdance

78 Day Spell
7th of 91/2/24Wincanton3017mNHDLE 4U-B J Powell71kgGood Soft3:49.9047.2 km/h35.3L-$8.50100$18,161-

1. Steel Ally

2. Dartmoor Pirate

3. Manuelito

100 Day Spell
4th of 1224/10/23Exeter3721mMHDLE 4U-B J Powell71.5kgGood4:47.3046.6 km/h21.0L-$7.00342$14,971$1,907

1. Big Fish

2. King Of The Lake

3. Westerninthepark

342 Day Spell
4M Blake
  • Kauto Kawai (4) 29756x0x0
  • Trainer: M Blake (Trowbridge, Wilts)
  • Jockey: Harry Reed
  • Weight: 71.5kg
  • Prize Money: $8,504
  • Win / Place: 0% / 14%

4 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: NICARON (GER)

Dam: KAUTO STARLETTE (FR)

Dam's Sire: Vision D'etat

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Rating

Stats
Career
7: 0-1-0
Season
3: 0-0-0
1st Up
3: 0-1-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 0-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Turf
7: 0-1-0
Good
3: 0-0-0
Soft
4: 0-1-0
Clockwise
2: 0-1-0
Anti-Clockwise
5: 0-0-0
Hurdle
7: 0-1-0
Handicap Rating
88
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

3218m

Gear Changes

[Hood]

Comments
Having second run back today. Last outing finished 12th of 14 runners at Chepstow 3yo+ HDLE HCP (C5) on October 29 over 3200m, slow track; 69 len behind Loverdose with 73kg at $81. At only start last preparation ran last at Uttoxeter 4yo+ NHDLE HCP (C5) on May 18 over 3200m, 22 len behind Strutter carrying 70.5kg at $26. Looks tested in this line-up.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
12th of 1429/10/24Chepstow3218mHDLE HCP 3U-Harry Reed73kgSoft4:10.4346.3 km/h69.0L-$81164$12,276-

1. Loverdose

2. Ventara

3. Imperial Jade

164 Day Spell
11th of 1118/5/24Uttoxeter3218mNHDLE HCP 4U-Jack Tudor70.5kgGood Soft3:45.9751.3 km/h22.3L-$26117$12,276-

1. Strutter

2. Orchestra

3. Thatza Dazzler

117 Day Spell
6th of 1222/1/24Plumpton4123mHDLE HCP 4U-Nick Scholfield70.5kgSoft5:15.0747.1 km/h36.5L-$1357$11,275-

1. Nickelforce

2. Birdman Bob

3. One Last Glance

57 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 1026/11/23Exeter3319mJHDLE 3-Thomas Bellamy70kgGood Soft4:19.8746.0 km/h16.0L-$3419$18,161-

1. Salver

2. Valadon

3. Authoceltic

7th of 97/11/23Warwick Uk3218mJHDLE MDN 3-Thomas Bellamy70kgSoft4:03.4047.6 km/h37.3L-$1716$13,970-

1. Salver

2. Excelero

3. Ceejaybe

9th of 1222/10/23Kempton Park3218mJHDLE 3-Thomas Bellamy70kgGood3:48.1450.8 km/h44.3L-$2322$21,956-

1. Gifted Angel

2. Captain Marvellous

3. Latin Verse

5D E Pipe
  • Kintaro (5) 7850832950
  • Trainer: D E Pipe (Nicholashayne, Devon)
  • Jockey: Gearoid Harney (a3)
  • Weight: 71.5kg
  • Prize Money: $15,408
  • Win / Place: 0% / 18%

4 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: IFFRAAJ (GB)

Dam: SORYAH (IRE)

Dam's Sire: Shamardal

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Rating

Stats
Career
16: 0-1-2
Season
10: 0-1-1
1st Up
3: 0-0-1
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-0
4th Up
2: 0-0-0
Turf
12: 0-1-2
Good
10: 0-1-2
Soft
1: 0-0-0
Heavy
1: 0-0-0
Synthetic
4: 0-0-0
Firm
1: 0-0-0
Clockwise
3: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
13: 0-1-2
Hurdle
6: 0-1-1
Handicap Rating
88
Jockey Stats
Horse
1: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

3218m - 3722m

Comments
Freshened for 42 days. Last outing finished 15th of 18 starters at Exeter 3yo+ HCP HDLE (C5) on October 10 over 3360m, 38 len behind Star Of Affinity with 71.5kg at $26. Run before finished fifth of 12 starters at Worcester 4yo+ HDLE HCP (C5) on September 11 over 3200m, 17 len behind Electric Eddy carrying 69.5kg at $13. Looks to have had his chances and offers little appeal.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
15th of 1810/10/24Exeter3365mHCP HDLE 3U-Martin McIntyre71.5kgGood3:57.1251.1 km/h38.3L-$2629$14,212-

1. Star Of Affinity

2. Penna Rossa

3. Far Away West

5th of 1211/9/24Worcester3218mHDLE HCP 4U-Gearoid Harney69.5kgGood3:49.4050.5 km/h17.3L-$1352$12,276$377

1. Electric Eddy

2. Ikigai Star

3. Caldwell

52 Day Freshen-Up
9th of 1221/7/24Newton Abbot3722mHCP HDLE 4U-Jack Tudor73.5kgGood Soft4:27.0950.2 km/h13.3L-$1132$21,615-

1. Karannelle

2. Outback Frontiers

3. Good Impression

32 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 1119/6/24Worcester3218mHDLE 4U-Jack Tudor68.5kgGood3:49.6550.4 km/h13.0L-$1711$15,378$3,922

1. Seeyouinmydreams

2. Kintaro

3. Double Oban

3rd of 148/6/24Bangor On Dee3319mHDLE 4U-David Noonan68.5kgGood4:08.5648.1 km/h15.5L-$6715$15,972$1,972

1. Not Now Nathaniel

2. Upagainstit

3. Kintaro

8th of 1424/5/24Hereford3266mNHDLE MDN 4U-Jack Tudor69kgGood10:09.64NaN km/h16.3L-$4142$15,631-

1. Time Interval

2. Global Esteem

3. Kentucky Bluegrass

42 Day Freshen-Up
6K J Burke
  • Penna Rossa (6) 90x308x2p5
  • Trainer: K J Burke (Whitcombe, Dorset)
  • Jockey: Joe Anderson (a1.5)
  • Weight: 71.5kg
  • Prize Money: $31,909
  • Win / Place: 5.00% / 20%

5 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: BELARDO (IRE)

Dam: ALPINE (GB)

Dam's Sire: Rail Link

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Rating

Stats
Career
20: 1-1-2
Season
6: 0-1-1
1st Up
6: 0-1-1
2nd Up
5: 1-0-1
3rd Up
4: 0-0-0
4th Up
2: 0-0-0
Turf
14: 1-1-2
Good
11: 0-1-1
Soft
1: 1-0-0
Heavy
2: 0-0-1
Synthetic
6: 0-0-0
Firm
1: 0-0-0
Clockwise
8: 1-0-1
Anti-Clockwise
12: 0-1-1
Hurdle
13: 1-1-2
Handicap Rating
88
Jockey Stats
Horse
0: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

3365m - 3947m

Gear Changes

[Blinkers, Tongue Strap]

Comments
Last start finished fifth of 11 starters at Huntingdon 3yo+ HCP HDLE (C5) on November 3 over 3940m, 10 len behind Orchestra with 71kg at $5.50. The run before pulled up at Stratford-On-Avon 3yo+ HDLE HCP (C5) on October 31 over 3700m. Has ability and looks a rougher each way danger.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 113/11/24Huntingdon3947mHCP HDLE 3U-Adam Wedge71kgGood4:45.9049.7 km/h10.8L-$5.503$14,212-

1. Orchestra

2. Just Chasing May

3. Harry Gulliver

- of 1231/10/24Stratford Avon3721mHDLE HCP 3U-Tom Bellamy71kgGood Soft4:30.6249.5 km/h99.0L-$3.75f21$15,268-

1. Juggernaut

2. Zhang Fei

3. Atreides

2nd of 1810/10/24Exeter3365mHCP HDLE 3U-Tom Bellamy68kgGood3:57.1251.1 km/h0.3L-$4.33f81$14,212$3,452

1. Star Of Affinity

2. Penna Rossa

3. Far Away West

81 Day Spell
8th of 1221/7/24Newton Abbot3722mHCP HDLE 4U-Paul O'Brien74.5kgGood Soft4:27.5250.1 km/h16.5L-$3437$21,615-

1. Konigin Isabella

2. Get The Value

3. Ryder'S Rock

37 Day Freshen-Up
13th of 1314/6/24Newton Abbot3419mHDLE HCP 4U-Charlie Price71kgGood4:03.2050.6 km/h29.3L-$2925$21,263-

1. King'S Castle

2. Ellerton

3. Getmetothemoon

3rd of 720/5/24Newton Abbot3721mHDLE HCP 4U-Charlie Price64.5kgGood4:30.3049.6 km/h17.5L-$26358$25,256$3,120

1. Clearance

2. Songo

3. Penna Rossa

358 Day Spell
7L Blackford
  • Prince Rhinegold (7) fx05x0x00x
  • Trainer: L Blackford (Tiverton)
  • Jockey: Sean Houlihan
  • Weight: 66kg
  • Prize Money: $9,985
  • Win / Place: 10% / 10%

6 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: GETAWAY (GER)

Dam: WATER ROCK (GB)

Dam's Sire: El Conquistador

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Rating

Stats
Career
10: 1-0-0
Distance
1: 0-0-0
Trk/Dst
1: 0-0-0
Track
1: 0-0-0
Season
3: 0-0-0
1st Up
5: 0-0-0
2nd Up
3: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 1-0-0
4th Up
1: 0-0-0
Turf
10: 1-0-0
Good
10: 1-0-0
Clockwise
3: 0-0-0
Anti-Clockwise
7: 1-0-0
Hurdle
9: 1-0-0
Handicap Rating
75
Jockey Stats
Horse
7: 0-0-0
Last 50
0: 0-0-0
Trainer
W 0% P 0%
Distance
W 0% P 0%
Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Track
W 0% P 0%
Trainer/Distance
W 0% P 0%
Distance Range Last 6 months

4023m

Comments
Resuming. Finished off last campaign didn't finish the race at Ffos Las 4yo+ HDLE HCP (C4) May 30 over 4000m. First up last campaign 10 of 13 starters at Ffos Las 4yo+ HDLE HCP (C5) May 7 over 3200m, 23 len behind Come On Nia with 66kg at $15. Confidence may have taken a hit.

Expected Settling Position: No speed data

Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceClassBarrierJockeyWeightCond.Race TimeAvg. SpeedMargin800/400SPDaysPrizePrize WonResult
99th of 930/5/24Ffos Las4023mHDLE HCP 4U-Sean Houlihan64.5kgGood4:46.3250.6 km/h99.0L-$5123$15,367-

1. Jasmin De Grugy

2. Kepagge

3. Coup De Gold

10th of 137/5/24Ffos Las3218mHDLE HCP 4U-Sean Houlihan66kgGood Soft4:00.2848.2 km/h23.0L-$1591$12,276-

1. Come On Nia

2. Thatza Dazzler

3. Smart Casual

91 Day Spell
14th of 166/2/24Taunton3822mHDLE HCP 4U-B Carver65kgGood4:56.0946.5 km/h30.8L-$1168$18,271-

1. Mammies Boy

2. Stanley Pincombe

3. Battle March

68 Day Spell
5th of 1030/11/23Taunton3822mHDLE HCP 3U-Sean Houlihan68kgGood4:51.0047.3 km/h8.3L-$2320$17,666$543

1. Noble Savage

2. Lelant

3. Ede'Iffs Rock

11th of 1610/11/23Exeter3319mHDLE HCP 3U-Sean Houlihan71.5kgGood Soft4:18.2046.3 km/h42.8L-$51245$15,972-

1. Asian Spice

2. Danton

3. Imperial Measure

245 Day Spell
- of 1510/3/23Exeter3366mNHDLE HCP 4U-B Carver71kgGood4:18.1346.9 km/h99.0L-$1114$15,741-

1. Looking For Larry, Port Or Starboard

2.

3. Gorcombe Moonshine

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